Ukrainians in Italy: My housekeeper braces for bad news
Olga never seemed scared. Every time she cleaned my apartment, my Ukrainian housekeeper always had a jump in her step and a smile on her face. After brief housekeeping instructions, we’d talk about Rome, Romans, travel, sometimes weather.
In the last couple months I’d ask her the occasional question about Russia. She never bit. Tuesday, outside a coffee shop near her home in northeast Rome, she did.
“I was afraid for a long time,” she said in Italian, “because (the Russians) were around our border for four months. And if Russia catches us, I can’t do anything there.”
Ukrainians in Italy
Olga Didun is part of the largest Ukrainian expat population in Europe. According to the Italian government, there are 256,000 Ukrainians in Italy. They have integrated into society. They speak Italian. They have jobs.
In Rome, they have a Ukrainian church, Santa Sofia, and Ukrainian supermarkets. It’s a close-knit community. They bring food to the church to send back to Ukraine.
Italy, in turn, is doing everything it can to help their country. The Associazione Italia-Ucraina said more than 800,000 refugees could be coming into Italy.
Olga, who moved to Rome five years ago but had been coming for 20 years, said her family is not. Her parents and a 23-year-old daughter are in Lviv, near the Polish border and away from the fighting – so far. But her brother lives just outside Kiev and her 20-year-old daughter lives in Olga’s apartment in the capital.
Her family in Ukraine
She said when Russia invaded Thursday, the first two days were the worst. She was glued to the TV. She read everything she could find. She was in regular contact with her family.
Her 39-year-old brother, Volodymyr, wanted to join the huge throng of volunteer citizens who are taking up arms.
“He’s not in the military,” Olga said. “He called to join the defense but was told that the groups have already been recruited. Perhaps later.”
The atrocities in her home country are mounting past the point of listing them. They’ve blown up apartment houses in Kharkiv and hospitals in Kyiv. President Volodymyr Zelensky’s wife said Vladimir Putin has threatened her life. I saw video of a tank running over a car coming the opposite direction. I read a family of five Monday burned alive in their car.
Ukrainian presidents
Olga, like all of us, is appalled. However, she said her home country’s past hasn’t helped.
“We did bad because our presidents were always robbing, robbing, robbing,” she said. “Especially our last president. Mamma mia!”
Petro Poroshenko, who served as president from 2014-19, is a Ukrainian oligarch who didn’t win reelection primarily for his inability to stop corruption.
“He would sell his mother for a bag of money,” Olga said.
Like her fellow Ukraines, and a growing number of observers around the world, she’s a big admirer of Zelensky. Hey, so am I. How can you not admire a president who answers an invasion by taking off his suit and grabbing a gun?
“This war that happened with our president we have now, it’s not his fault,” she said. “No. Because he is great. He’s a great person. He didn’t agree with Putin. Then he started great things in our country. We have roads all over Ukraine that are perfect like in Poland. He started many great things but Putin doesn’t like us going well.”
I asked her the hot-point question, the one I wanted to ask while she cleaned my floors but didn’t want to send her cascading into a lousy mood.
What do you think about Putin?
“I think this person is sick,” she said. “Truly. It’s why doctors say that he’s not right in the head. And sanctions … they must do sanctions against the rich Russians who are near Putin. If the world applies more sanctions to the rich Russian oligarchs who are close to Putin, they can overthrow the government.”
What Italy is doing
Meanwhile, Italy has opened its arms – and wallets – to help the cause. Italy:
- Set up a state of emergency until the end of 2022 to help incoming refugees.
- Sent 110 million euros to Ukraine.
- Prime minister Mario Draghi allocated 10 million euros to bolster refugee facilities.
- Raised the capacity in hospital centers to 16,000 spaces.
- Set up a 500,000-euro fund to help Ukrainian students, researchers and teachers continue their work.
- Will supply NATO with 3,400 soldiers.
- Bologna allocated six buildings to house refugees.
- Trieste made space for 1,000, including a bus of 50 women and children who rolled into town Sunday.
In an exhilarating speech Tuesday, Draghi said Italy “does not intend to look the other way.”
Also, despite getting 40-percent of its imported gas from Russia, Italy is joining NATO next week in shutting off the gas supply from Russia. Draghi comforted car-dependent Italians, saying the country has 2.5 billion cubic meters (660.4 trillion gallons) of gas in supply. If they ever come up short, they can turn to Algeria.
“The struggle we support today, the sacrifices we will make tomorrow,” Draghi said, “are a defense of our principles and our future.”
Demonstrations in Italy
On this issue, Italy is not divided. While Faux News in the U.S. openly applauded Putin when the war began, more than 1,000 people demonstrated in Rome. They waved rainbow peace flags and banners comparing Putin to Adolf Hitler and marched to the Colosseum. Thousands more gathered in Milan and Bologna.
Pope Francis tweeted in several languages, expressing his “deep pain for the tragic events” and called Zelensky to chat.
“War is a failure of politics and of humanity,” he tweeted.
I asked Olga what she thinks will happen in these upcoming weeks.
“I hope nothing worse than this,” she said. “I hope bombs don’t break our buildings in the city. It’s so ugly, our palaces and the shooting, people dying. This is brutal. The worst is if Putin is able to enter Kiev and take Kiev. Then it’s over.”
When we parted, I wished her “In bocca al lupo (Good luck)” and we went our separate ways. I tried crossing the street to the bus stop but got stopped by a long line of children about 8 years old.
They were all carrying rainbow peace signs.
Marc
March 2, 2022 @ 2:55 pm
John,
Thank You for this article concerning Olga and her family and her insight in this terrible situation.
Mike Boese
March 2, 2022 @ 2:59 pm
Thanks John as well as to Olga…..hopefully her family will all be ok!! I have been opposed to war as long as I can remember but really struggling here as the US and world sit by while Russian tanks and bombs carve up Ukraine. Fucking Putin is a playground bully(albeit one with nukes) and would love to see him get punched in the face.
Cristina
March 2, 2022 @ 3:10 pm
Thank you, John. I’m so proud of Italy and Italians. I wish there was more we could do for Ukraine and its brave people.
Natasha
March 2, 2022 @ 9:57 pm
Naive Italian people! Have they ever worried about thousands of Donbass people having been killed by neonazi armed bands in Ukraine for about 8 years. Maybe, because they are Russians (800 000 of them are now Russian citizens in Donbass) to be considered for nothing. Democrats?!!! What should an American president do in such a situation if only one of American citizens could be killed anywhere in the world? You perfectly know what! And what about the words of Zelensky promising to create a dirty nuclear bomb? He said it some days ago in Munich, Germany. Why must Russia save all of you from fascism again?
Pietrodp
March 3, 2022 @ 9:45 pm
Natasha, we are definitely tuned on different broadcast here. I mean, the Russian people on one side, the rest of us people on the other channel.
I don’t want to over-simplify very complex social and political matters, and I myself am convinced that faults are often shared, however when you are so convinced that everybody else in the room is a fool, you should start asking yourself questions… or just push that other damn button on the remote..
Tee
March 4, 2022 @ 2:07 am
Just switch channels and watch the tragedy unfold – prime time as more than 100 UN diplomats stage an undiplomatic and puerile walkout. To be fair maybe some just fled the Human Rights Council in embarrassment at their respective governments policy of supplying lethal weapons to their preferred belligerent. Pass the remote …
Mary
March 5, 2022 @ 1:05 am
Natasha, the assertions about Donbas are simply not true. The numbers do not reasonably support any allegations of genocide – indeed the numbers of deaths in the region has fallen precipitously – only 18 people were killed for 1/1/2021 to 9/30/2021. This is not ‘genocide’, the claim is pretext to invade another country. I have attached the UN fact sheet. You can easily find similar factual information on many other reliable sources.
https://ukraine.un.org/en/151093-conflict-related-civilian-casualties-ukraine-8-october-2021#:~:text=From%201%20January%20to%2030,21%20killed%20and%20106%20injured)
Tee
March 5, 2022 @ 2:00 am
Genocide is not specifically a casualty list, it is the intent to destroy a people that share common bonds or identities. The UN (sadly) is not the honest broker that the media likes to portray it as, at the end of the day it is a political institution.
Natasha
March 5, 2022 @ 6:39 pm
Mary, thank you for your attention to my comment, I see you try to explain this situation from your point of view. But I don’t know what country are you from. It’s important for me because my country is closely circled by military bases of NATO, I live not far from the border of Donbass Republics having been bombing since 2014-2015 with the most cruel atrocities and crimes concerning the peaceful population of Donbass, their losses are more than 5000 lives according to the international official resources. Some of the Ukrainian armed bands are considered even by USA as nazi armed formations hating and threatening Russia. Would you like such surrounding and neighbourhood near your borders? More to say, citizens of Donbass desirably gain Russian citizenship in amount of about 800 000 and 1200 000 are going to do it now. These numbers impressed, don’t they? Eight years were wasted for the useless Minsk1-Minsk2 negotiations with the results of the following constant bombing. Because of the Information War your country, maybe, had no true information about it. Such is our world now. But as to Russian people, we love Ukraine and will help it after the end of this military operation, you will see it, I’m sure. Russia and China became stronger, they will put an end to this unidirectional world and bring the international balance and peace at last (as you see, it’s a strategy of all these efforts in the end). How is it possible to ignore so many factors? If you are an earnest and thinking person, you will understand me. Natasha, a Russian woman
Valerie Anne Burns
March 2, 2022 @ 10:13 pm
Terrific article and I hope Olga’s family will be safe and that Putin is backed into a corner as the world continues to be against him and he withdraws. The Ukrainian people are so amazingly courageous. Thanks for listing all that Italy is doing to support Ukraine. A large population in the US knows Fox News is BS. Those like Trump and Tucker Carlson have been lambasted (even by Republicans) for any praise of Putin. What’s important to say, is that majority of Americans are against the war and consider Putin a monster. I’ve been consistently watching news via clips from CNN, CNBC, etc. President Biden is experienced in this very thing and he rallied the allies to put harsh sanctions on Putin and Russia. He’s aligned with NATO and approved 350 million in military aid for Ukraine. Biden has jumped on ceasing Oligarch’s yachts, homes, etc. Much of this was stated in his State of the Union speech last night. I saw an interview by Morning Joe on MSNBC with President Zalinsky yesterday and he mentioned his gratitude to Biden and the US several times. This war is a horror and I, like everyone I know, is sad and distressed by the unprovoked brutal attack. Obviously, the US is allied with Europe and working together. Like Italy, Americans have been in the streets protesting against Putin and this war. I, and majority of Americans stand in solidarity with the Ukraine.
Tee
March 3, 2022 @ 12:36 pm
johnny-come-lately wanders into the realm of agitprop.
The article is a disservice to its readers in that it cancels the contentions of the history and recent past of the subject by the use of blind outrage, servile fairy tales and the distraction of rainbow flag waving.
Beth
March 6, 2022 @ 2:24 pm
*Thank you for your report of your interview with Ms. Didun and Italy’s actions to assist the people of Ukraine. Please update your readers while this continues to unfold. All parties may want to consider the words of Nobel Laureate Doris Lessing, “When I was a girl the idea that the British Empire could end was absolutely inconceivable. And it just disappeared, like all other empires.”
Tee
March 10, 2022 @ 11:29 am
Pertinent and interesting NYT article from 1982 (Doris Lessing on feminism, communism and space fiction) where the empire building warned of is not the historical but what could be termed the Shangri-La empire building of the present that has gripped the western democracies.
Alessandra
April 9, 2022 @ 4:27 pm
No-one of you is not better than Putin – what you are doing with civil Russian people even worst. No-one Russian never wanted this situation happen – we have friends and relatives in Ukraine. We are not responsible for what is happening and we welcomed more than 1 million Ukrainians last month, im not talking about 5 million Ukrainians that are living and working in Russia. All your sanctions are not against government or oligarchs but agains poor people. The only thing you (EU, US, UK, AU, CA) did – another genocide and holocaust of Russians.
Should we kill 6 million Ukrainians that are currently living in our country? should we treat them the same way? No! This never happen and never will! Russians has an understanding of human rights, ethic and humanity. You think that you are better than us – fine. But you are soo poor and so much used for the fast food that your medias feed you. Good luck to everyone!
Alessandra
April 9, 2022 @ 4:54 pm
Zelensky knew everything about coming war – but did nothing to prevent and then to protect people. He evacuated his family, his friends but not simple people. He was lying until the last day – that nothing will happen and people should stay where they are. All the world knew about this. Zelensky did not organise any safe place with food and water. The only thing he does – dressing in Military style and publishing posts in social networks. He had chance not to have the war – Zelensky rejected Scholz’s offer to refuse NATO membership.
John Henderson
April 10, 2022 @ 10:20 am
So you’re justifying Russia’s attack on the Ukraine and the murder of innocent people? You’re applauding every bomb that blows up an apartment house? You support Putin? You are one sick woman. And I don’t buy anything you’ve read in the Russian media. Russia has no free press. We have a free press. I have friends in Russia who can’t tell me their views of the war because, as one friend said, “I’m trying to avoid going to jail.” Your comments have no credibility. None. So how do you feel about the Russians getting their asses kicked by an outmanned army?
John
Elaine
May 1, 2022 @ 9:04 pm
I don’t like John Henderson’s politics and Italy is worse off for having him stink up their country. Leave Italy, jackass. You don’t belong there.
Michael
May 4, 2022 @ 9:22 pm
“Imagine all the people, living life in peace…” John Lennon
Can we not allow independence and difference of perspective?